Curse

assassin_of_ni · Jun 16, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

how is it going to ruin the game? .....zomg koss is using LB gaze run for your lives!!1!!!!!1!1!11!11!!!!!1ElEvEnTyOnE!!!!1!!!
i mean really come on -_-

Bryant Again · Jun 16, 2007, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

Didn't mean to hurt your wuittle feelings.

lol.

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What is wanted is completely irrelevant. What is wanted is a NPC that gives free plat.

How do Heros give you more money?

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Sarcasm is funny when its based on a stupid premise. And giving skills based on titles to heroes is a retarded premise.

Only to you. You're not only being inconsiderate but stupid. Plus, you haven't really given any reasons why it's a "retarded premise".

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

Why don't they have lightbringer skills? because it would ruin the game. Same situation.

Ruin the-? Like Ni said: How the hell's it ruin the game? Oh, so I don't PUG anymore? I'm not gonna group with people just because they have a skill my Heroes and Henchmen don't, not to mention one you can be totally fine without.

Mad King Corn · Jun 16, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

/signed
Anet has already refused to allow for more heroes so I would like to see my heroes use the new skills, even if the heroes had a limited (perhaps rank 5) sunspear title.

ArKaiN · Jun 16, 2007, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

How do Heros give you more money?

I never said that. READ the phrase. I'm basically saying "A person is smart, a mob is stupid".

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Only to you. You're not only being inconsiderate but stupid. Plus, you haven't really given any reasons why it's a "retarded premise".

It's a retarded premise because:
a) Heroes haven't done Jack Shit to earn said titles and
b) Giving said skills to heroes would completely throw the balance of the game. Your dervish has permanent Avatar, your sin attacks +33% permanently, your ranger can Spike better than any RangerSpiker ever could. All this in the hands of one person. The AI was not balanced to take anything like this. Such a group could very well slice through DoA.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Ruin the-? How the hell's it ruin the game? So I don't PUG anymore? I'm not gonna group with people just because they have a skill my Heroes and Henchmen don't, not to mention one you can be totally fine without.

Now you might.

Anyway, I feel bad pointing these things out, because they should be obvious. If the mob had their way, FoW armor would cost 5k, Mending+Healing Breeze on a warrior would be awesome, entrance to elite missions would be free and I would be playing something else.

EDIT: If you want, I could elaborate on why having every bozo with access to heroes able to destroy DoA is bad for the game. Apparently things I thought were evident sometimes aren't.

assassin_of_ni · Jun 16, 2007, 06:25 AM // 06:25

the mob.....really? hunh....well then since we have mr rat pack here i suppose we best make like hockey sticks and get the puck outta here eh.

for 1:you said an NPC that gives free plat....ok uuuuhm wtf?
2:its a retarded premise IN YOUR OPINION....in fact my heroes did help contribute to my title when i grinded my ass off for it...so excuse me for having the feeling that they should get the skill as well as myself....especially since a few of em are sunspears anyways! >_<
and the most it did was make a few skills more useful now i.e. avatar of grenth again and flashing blades builds and what have you...as for the r-spike comment 3 arrows as compared to the dual shot is only slightly better and even then its not enough to go pwn the crap outta doa with.
3:a few sunspear skills is nowhere even close to give me the urge to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.....everevereverevereverevereverever EVER again.

ArKaiN · Jun 16, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by assassin_of_ni

the mob.....really? hunh....well then since we have mr rat pack here i suppose we best make like hockey sticks and get the puck outta here eh.

for 1:you said an NPC that gives free plat....ok uuuuhm wtf?
2:its a retarded premise IN YOUR OPINION....in fact my heroes did help contribute to my title when i grinded my ass off for it...so excuse me for having the feeling that they should get the skill as well as myself....especially since a few of em are sunspears anyways! >_<
and the most it did was make a few skills more useful now i.e. avatar of grenth again and flashing blades builds and what have you...as for the r-spike comment 3 arrows as compared to the dual shot is only slightly better and even then its not enough to go pwn the crap outta doa with.
3:a few sunspear skills is nowhere even close to give me the urge to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.....everevereverevereverevereverever EVER again.

Lets try and keep it in English.

Thunder79 · Jun 16, 2007, 06:38 AM // 06:38

/notsigned

throw the PUG players a bone...not like the new skills will make people PUG more than they did before the skills. I know it won't affect my play at all.

assassin_of_ni · Jun 16, 2007, 06:38 AM // 06:38

i only speak 2 languages...english and extremely bad english....i only save the regular english for people i plan on debating in a serious matter....not on a feeling of inferiority vs heroes kthx

D8tura · Jun 16, 2007, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Arkain, you are clearly antagonizing You are proof of why we choose heroes instead of "insert insulting whatever" like you in the first place. I'm so glad i don't have to deal with people like you in the game now when i play...

I just wish the characters I ENJOY playing with (heroes, not you) had the same skills you can get.....

Bryant Again · Jun 16, 2007, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

I never said that. READ the phrase. I'm basically saying "A person is smart, a mob is stupid".

Then.......okay?

Add: Ahhh by reading ahead, I've discovered that when you say "mob", you mean "majority". It doesn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

It's a retarded premise because:
a) Heroes haven't done Jack Shit to earn said titles and-

...You're wrong. They were with me the whole time I farmed up to Rank 10. Depends on your point of view. Of course with that logic, Heroes shouldn't get access to any unlocked skill because they "haven't done jack shit".

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b) Giving said skills to heroes would completely throw the balance of the game. Your dervish has permanent Avatar, your sin attacks +33% permanently, your ranger can Spike better than any RangerSpiker ever could. All this in the hands of one person.The AI was not balanced to take anything like this. Such a group could very well slice through DoA.

They're just as overpowered as any wellmade guild group. If you're saying it'd be too easy, that'd make sense, but that's not what you're saying.

Also: "Balance of the game"? It was imbalanced as soon as they made a normal monster over level 20. Not to mention that these skills are perfectly imbalanced. Don't know where you're headed here.

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Now you might.

Nope. I already stated I'm not going to risk running with strangers for l33t skills that you can very easily live without. PUGs have been dead for quite some time now (someone, keep track of a timer recording how many times I've said that).

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Anyway, I feel bad pointing these things out, because they should be obvious.

You're not "pointing these things out", you're stating your opinion.

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Originally Posted by ArKaiN

Lets try and keep it in English.

And there goes your credibility completely. Great job.

shivanSoule · Jun 16, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

/notsigned

heroes are good enough.. except their AI on using certain skills.

bhavv · Jun 16, 2007, 10:08 AM // 10:08

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Not everyone has beaten all campaigns with all characters you know. You cant expect your team to have "elite skill X" when you are pugging in an area before that skill is available. . . .
Its like forming a group to do dunes of despair and mocking the ranger who doesnt have barrage. . .. .

makes sense to me, otherwise have them aquired in a different manner. . .

You have to have beaten the campaign to play HM, therefore you should have capped the elite skills.

Fro me a healer monk without LoD is useless. A Prot monk without either ZB or SoR is useless. And an elly without searing flames or invoke lightning? Instant kick.

If I can play any build, there isnt any excuse other players have not to. If other players cant play decent bars, they're not making it into my group (Took me 4 days to complete Tyria HM. Lack of decent players is making the other two too difficult).

Not having elite skill X in HM is not an excuse for noobs to be allowed to play HM.

bhavv · Jun 16, 2007, 10:15 AM // 10:15

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Originally Posted by Andisa Kalorn

I have eight rank 10 sunspear characters, and two more rank 9.

But then, I also don't pug.

And as I'm never going to pug anyway... anet should let heroes use the new skills

/signed

Great example right here, Good players like you shouldnt be forced to play with pug monks with healing breeze.

I only have one r10 sunspear char with legendary skill hunter since I prefer to always play one char. However there are sooo many people in the game that dont have any usefull skills and expect to be able to pug in HM.

Once I got a monk in my HM group, He had no elite, heal other, jameis gaze, heal party and healing breeze and no energy management XD.

I think that was the reason I stopped taking human monks.

Amy Awien · Jun 16, 2007, 10:23 AM // 10:23

/signed
It would be great if heroes could use sunspear skills.

A common argument against it boils down to PuG's: heroes with sunspear skills would kill PuG's while people should (be encouraged to) join PuG's more often.

But gimping heroes is not the right way to promote PuG's. The only way to enjoy PuG's at the moment is to not take them too seriously for completing missions and join them for the fun of it. To finish the mission horoes and henchmen are frequently a better party.

For those who like to PuG and would like to see more players join PuG, think of ways to make joining a PuG something desirable rather then supporting ways to decrease the usefulness of other options. Encourage people to join PuG's by increasing the joy of playing in one, not by reducing other options.

Jebus · Jun 16, 2007, 11:17 AM // 11:17

/signed
This will make HM much more interesting, and more fun. I'm not going to PUG anyway, I don't trust people enough for that...

candyman_sb · Jun 16, 2007, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Yeah let's go even further and make this skills usable in PvP.

/NOT SIGNED

Giving heroes sunspear skills would be retarded. Normal mode is easy and with overpowered heroes is not worth playing. Hardmode and maybe some of the elite missions would also become to easy.

And yes I like to pug. And there are other ppl that like to pug. Why is the chat in mission areas spamed with "LFG mission"? Giving heroes those skills would hurt pugs even more.

Mouse at Large · Jun 16, 2007, 12:28 PM // 12:28

/not signed (yet)

Why not just wait a few days and see how this all shakes out. Personally speaking, if this encourages more human players to play together, I don't think that's a bad idea. And to those who shun PuGs and would rather play with henchies/heroes - you're no worse off than before the update.

P.S. Been trying E/P with the new Para Sunspear skill - very nice

Orbberius · Jun 16, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

the internets - srs bsns

Bryant Again · Jun 16, 2007, 01:26 PM // 13:26

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Originally Posted by candyman_sb

Giving heroes sunspear skills would be retarded. Normal mode is easy and with overpowered heroes is not worth playing. Hardmode and maybe some of the elite missions would also become to easy.

Heroes are not overpowered. They're just more convenient.

And that's what these skills were supposed to do: make everything easier.

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Originally Posted by candyman_sb

And yes I like to pug. And there are other ppl that like to pug. Why is the chat in mission areas spamed with "LFG mission"? Giving heroes those skills would hurt pugs even more.

And there are some people who don't like to pug, or can only play in the mornings where it's very hard to find a pug (3-4 people in every outpost ftw). And hurt pugs even more? Pugs have already killed themselves over many, many times.

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/not signed (yet)

Why not just wait a few days and see how this all shakes out. Personally speaking, if this encourages more human players to play together, I don't think that's a bad idea. And to those who shun PuGs and would rather play with henchies/heroes - you're no worse off than before the update.

So are PUGs, it's just that human parties can have 16 sunspear skills while HH'ers only get 2.

Fact of the matter is that these skills are simply not good pugging incentive, since these skills are far from essential.

prism2525 · Jun 16, 2007, 02:17 PM // 14:17

well koss should at the very least. He sure IS a sunspear.